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Post by muleslax on Nov 5, 2008 18:06:24 GMT -5
Why does God tell us not to kill, when he has killed many? Also, why in one of the commandments does it it say, "I am a jealous God..." when in just another it says, "thou shall not covet...?" Another question: why, in Plasms 5:5, does is say that got hates all workers of iniquity when in a separate verse it says that if we have hated our brother, we have committed murder. Also, does God hate or love, I just don't understand? Are they not opposites? If God hates all workers of iniquity, shouldn't we, in order to be Christ-like? Then why would we show such love as to preach to them and teach them of repentance?
Please don't get me wrong guys, I love Jehovah with all my heart. These questions have just been taunting me; So please answer them all! Amen!
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Post by rsanford on Nov 6, 2008 1:25:49 GMT -5
I can attempt to answer a few of your questions as best I can, Though I am sure others on this forum will be able to provide much better (and longer ) answers then I. From what I can recall, The use of jealousy God is using is slightly different then the current definition we have now. People raise false gods and worship them. God is the one TRUE God, and He Desires us to worship Him "above all other gods" He doesn't desire us to follow other gods, just Him alone because the other gods are false. We can see the similarities to our form of jealousy. When someone is jealous, they want to be the one getting the attention, not others. Thou shall not covet thy neighbors wife, house, etc... seems more directed towards our form of jealousy and desires. We want those objects and attention for their value. For the glory of having said objects. God desires us to follow Him and only Him so that we do not follow a false god into death. We desire material things so glory. Hope that made sense... When we are told "Thou shalt not kill." Kiill in that context meant murder. Killing specifically out of hatred or for gain. Different from killing in war, where you fight to defend your homelands, like the Jewish did under Gods command during various invasions. The reason God killed people, directly, I think can be seen and explained when Jesus killed the tree. (I cannot recall outside of what city) But Jesus looked to the tree that was blooming, yet bore no fruit and told it to die. And die it did. After that He explained that a tree that bears no fruit has no reason to live. It is worth nothing. In this He was also addressing us, When we do nothing with our lives, nothing with our faith, we are baring no fruit, Our lives have no reason to continue. When God flooded the world, and destroyed the cities of Sodom and (gramora?) it was because all of those people were fully sinners. Not a single one followed God. Their lives were worth nothing, and they provided a poison for any who came into contact with them. I hope I explained accuratly and clearly. I'm pretty new at studying all of this and wanted to try answering a few questions besides asking them. We'll see what the smart people have to say.  |
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Post by Paul A. Kaiser on Nov 6, 2008 1:43:37 GMT -5
I'm gonna break these up into a few different threads... So it won't be as confusing during the discussions. We'll leave this one for The "DO NOT KILL" topic...Great questions (muleslax) and great start (Rsanford)!  |
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Post by Ryan Dozier on Nov 6, 2008 11:48:16 GMT -5
I cannot respond at this time for I must study for a test, so as soon as I am able I will give a response.
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Post by muleslax on Nov 6, 2008 18:59:31 GMT -5
Rsanford, or anyone else who wishes to, please explain how God meant "murder" when he specificly said the word "kill", if you can. Thank you for your answers though!!
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Post by rsanford on Nov 6, 2008 20:35:42 GMT -5
Rsanford, or anyone else who wishes to, please explain how God meant "murder" when he specificly said the word "kill", if you can. Thank you for your answers though!! With that I tried to explain that when I was learning this, I was told that the word in the original language was (as we would define it) murder. It is just that the word kill has evolved into seperate meanings in todays world. Looking back at the original language we see that if it were to be translated with what the word meant at the time, and not the direct word translation, we see that it was murder. original: "kill" = murder current: "kill" = end a life. That's what I recall hearing. Anyone else has any other or better explanations then go ahead. ^.^ |
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Post by muleslax on Nov 6, 2008 21:04:42 GMT -5
So, I ask, what was the correct word for the specific meaning of today's "kill", back then; if it was not "kill", was it "smite" then, maybe? What I mean to say is: did the word "smite" mean "to end a life", rather then "to take a life" as "murder" does is today's meaning, back at the time the King James Version of the Bible was written? Or was some other word used to describe "to take a life" back in the day the King James Version was written? Thank you.
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Post by Ryan Dozier on Nov 7, 2008 0:54:21 GMT -5
Muleslax said "Also, why in one of the commandments does it it say, "I am a jealous God..." when in just another it says, "thou shall not covet...?" I do not see a problem please explain your contention.
Muleslax said "If God hates all workers of iniquity, shouldn't we, in order to be Christ-like? Then why would we show such love as to preach to them and teach them of repentance?" Firstly we are commanded to hate sin if we are a Christian are relationship with sin should be that of a hate relationship. As Christians we are called to be loving towards all men. Why? We are commanded by God to glorify Him and be reperesentatives of Him on earth, so on the Day of Judgement all the kindness, love and mercy God showed to sinners (reprobate) through His common grace and people (Christians) will smite their conscience when they are in Hell. Why evangelize? We do not know who the elect is. And God commands us to evangelize.
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Post by muleslax on Nov 7, 2008 1:00:00 GMT -5
So Christians aren't supposed to hate workers of iniquity, just the iniquity? Only God hates the worker?
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Post by Ryan Dozier on Nov 7, 2008 1:02:33 GMT -5
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Post by muleslax on Nov 7, 2008 1:07:32 GMT -5
Wooops! I'm not focusing on what I'm writting here, kind of tired. God* not "Hot"
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