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Post by Ryan Dozier on Dec 27, 2008 0:49:46 GMT -5
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Post by drakim on Dec 27, 2008 7:47:50 GMT -5
I like the setup, but, there are problems. Several times I came to a point where I didn't have a button for my answer, or that when I pressed a button, the website took my answer as something else than what I really meant. I tried out most choices. But, there was one particular point where it went wrong. I was asked: "Does absolute moral laws exist?" and I answered no. I then got asked "So do you think molesting children for fun can be right?". But this misses the point that if there is no absolute moral, then you can't equally say that some action is right or wrong. Yet, that was what the website wanted me to answer. It should have been pretty obvious to the website creator. If you first ask a person if he believes that there is such a thing as "right and wrong", and he answers no, then you can't ask if this and that action is right or wrong. He just rejected that system! Also, at many options, the website simply stops the line of reasoning, usually telling you that what you believe is so horrible that it cannot be true. Anyways, towards the end, there is a big leap in logic. After agreeing to that various universal laws exists, and that they are unchangeable, the website declares that only God could cause this, without giving proper justification for this. The argument is about as solid as saying that only God could make a fruit as tasty as the orange, thus God must exists. |
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Post by Ryan Dozier on Jan 3, 2009 21:08:45 GMT -5
Paul agrees with some of your criticisms concerning the website. Personally, I like the website.
Concerning your position of morality are you contending that you can't equally say that some action is right or wrong. Why? because they are not objective? Who says they are not objective? YOU? If it is you then your argument is circular. And if one cannot make a equal decision between right and wrong what is the problem with someone raping one of your family members? Because the government says it is wrong? The culture? How can they define what is right or wrong if one cannot equally say that some action is right or wrong?
Maybe you can clarify my understanding of what you mean concerning morality.
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Post by drakim on Jan 4, 2009 10:32:53 GMT -5
Sorry, what I ment wasn't that. I'll try to phrase it clearer. I didn't actually pick that option as my personal path. I just tried out all options after I was done. And basically, this situation happened:
Person1: Do you belive there is such a thing as right or wrong?
Person2: No, I don't.
Person1: So, do you think murdering children is right or wrong?
Person1 here seems to be pretty confused. How can he ask the second question after what Person2 responded with? That was my objection to the quiz.
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Post by Paul A. Kaiser on Jan 8, 2009 1:44:51 GMT -5
"Shall we play a game?"  So Drakim are you asserting that you (personally) do not beleive in such a thing as right or wrong? I must admit that is the one weakness I saw in the line of reasoning as well. However I do understand what is implied and the reasoning behind it. |
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Post by drakim on Jan 8, 2009 16:10:37 GMT -5
"Shall we play a game?" So Drakim are you asserting that you (personally) do not beleive in such a thing as right or wrong? Actually, I can't answer that question, because we are probably operating on diffrent definitions of "right and wrong". If I answered, you would take that as something diffrent than I intend. If you wish to ask such a question, you need to first define these terms more closely. I suspect that when you talk about "right and wrong", you think in divine global terms, but I'm not quite sure. Of course, we can't blame the website maker. It's not like you can have a hundred buttons for each possible answer and still keep things simple and understandable. |
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Post by Paul A. Kaiser on Jan 9, 2009 0:53:54 GMT -5
For sake of argument... Please define your terms... What is "right or wrong" to you? Oh, that question flys in the face of all sound logic and reason! I feel like I'm on the Oprah show!  You are fairly correct... I believe morality is absolute and that God has written his law on the hearts of all men. It's universally true for all people at all times. I do believe we have two (or more) threads coming to a spear head...? |
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Post by drakim on Jan 9, 2009 10:13:01 GMT -5
I do believe we have two (or more) threads coming to a spear head...? Yeah, I'm posting over there instead. |
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Post by Ryan Dozier on Feb 3, 2009 1:17:59 GMT -5
I posted about the website on reformedevangelist.com
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